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Sexual Ethics and the problems of the Kurdish Youth

Kurdishaspect.com - by Dr. Showan Khurshid

In the course of discussions regarding the out flux of Kurdish youths attributed to the crises of confidence in Kurdish authority, I thought that there might be some additional reasons. One such could be the sexual repression. The other might be a design by Islamic parties and organisations to colonize Europe, and America if possible, to bring about the Islamic domination of the world, which they hope for. However, the issue I am concerned with here is sex, but lest I raise the wrong expectation, I should make it clear that I mean the less exciting issue, sexual ethics.

No doubt, this is a sensitive issue and it may not be possible to prove beyond doubt that such a phenomenon is occurring. However, there is a more obvious, but not identical, issue originating from the same source. This is what underpins a well rehearsed story told by many young men: that they had romantic or sexual relationships with some women, their cover was blown, and the women in question were killed by their respective relatives and so they had to flee because their lives were also in danger. Of course, one cannot take these stories at face value, although no one can deny that honour killing is happening, what can be doubted though is whether these young men are the ones who were involved, or whether they are just using someone else’s life story. Nevertheless, honour killing is a testimony to the lack of that freedom which is our concern here. Still, it is difficult to prove that there a causal relationship between lack of personal freedom, in regard to sex, and immigration. One might acknowledge the fact that there is no freedom in regard of relationship between the sexes in Kurdistan, but one can still deny that people would leave because of that matter. Some people would point out individuals who had abstained from sex for years and years for the sake of some causes which they assumed to be worthier, like their religion or nationalism, or just be around and take care of one’s loved siblings and parents. Some might point out people, whose acute self-consciousness would cause them to lose self-respect and sense of integrity if they fake a cause, in the name of justice or principle, while aware of their own real motivations, namely, succumbing to sexual urges. Such cases are not impossible and I would not deny that.

However, not everyone is like that. In Kurdistan, like any other country in the world, there is a sex industry and obviously it is not set up for foreigners. Moreover, there are some people who travel abroad to buy cheap sex. Moreover, sexual deprivation leads and has led many to seek sex with the vulnerable, young boys, and even animals. Another fact is that we can see our youths abroad going to discotheques and nightclubs. All these phenomena indicate that sex or just personal liberty might be one of the motivations behind emigration to the West.

Despite all this we cannot prove conclusively that some youths are leaving Kurdistan in search of easy sex or romance. Some people may point out that sex would not have become an issue if these youths were given some cause or collective goal to achieve. Some may rightly point out that there were cases of individuals who fought for decades without bowing to the pressure of sex or any other temptations.  I agree on this and obviously, the Kurdish authorities have to take some blame because corruption and monopoly of power have engendered disillusionment and alienation. It is very likely that when there is no collective goal to hold the group together and create a passion among them, atomisation, and hedonism will step in. For an atomised individual, the search for pleasure and avoidance of pain would very likely be the supreme values and sex would feature very prominently in the equation. 

However, with all these qualifications to take into account, the best we can say is that there is a possibility that some youths may be leaving Kurdistan to escape sexual repression. So my analysis here would be concerned with this conjectured phenomenon. No doubt, discussing this issue will also bring us to the broader issue concerning the reasons that sexual mores are different, and which one is better. The difference in sexual ethics is an undeniable fact and thus the arguments will be about facts and not just conjectures.

Discussing sexual ethics is extremely important. Sexual repression is behind honour killing which is a cause for national disgrace, for some of us at least. More disgracefully, sexual repression is also behind some of the sexual violation against children in our own countries.

As crucially, many young men who come here driven, even if partially, by sexual fantasies do not know sufficiently about the culture in which sexual permissiveness is norm. Obviously, if a young woman in Kurdistan behaves like the young women in the West do, the Kurds before anyone else will regard her as a prostitute. Acquiring such a reputation may lead often to murdering her by her menfolk, sometimes even by her womenfolk. This underlines a risk that women in Europe are looked on with disrespect and as prostitute, and assaulting a prostitute would not be a psychologically impossible mountain to climb for a Kurd and in general all those coming from Islamic background.

Hence it is our obligation to show the Kurdish youths the right way to behave, so that they do not disgrace themselves and their people. However, our greater obligation and concern should be towards their victims and potential victims in their adopted countries.

At the heart of this matter is to find a way to instil respect for women regardless of the impression of their sexual behaviour or even their sexual trade. Doing so has the additional benefit of counteracting the mentality behind the so-called honour killing in our own countries.

It is obvious, that Islam is directly and indirectly responsible for the inferior value accorded to women. ‘Men Have authority over women because God has made the one superior to the other, and because they spend their wealth to maintain them. Good women are obedient. They guard their unseen parts because God has guarded them. As for those from whom you fear disobedience, admonish them and forsake them in beds apart, and beat them. Then if they obey you, take no further action against them. Surely God is high, supreme’ (The Koran 4:34, p. 83). It is true that Islam does not call for honour killing and the like, but Islam effects the mentality in which the practice occurs.

Islam is ignorant of the need for an institution that can organize power struggles peacefully. This meant that Islam, whether during Mohammed’s reign or his immediate and subsequent Khalifs, relied on violence to curb power struggle whether between the Muslims themselves or between Muslims and non-Muslims. Even today in the age of liberal democracy, Muslims have not yet realized that without adopting liberal democracy, a political entity will be substantially defective, hence their continued warring against each others and against non-Muslims.

Relying on violence needs men of violence and hence all concession to men in Islamic morality. The compromised Islamic morality meant that warriors were allowed to pillage and even take women as spoils of war.[1]

However, criticism of Islam does not imply that we have provided the right sexual moral codes. We need also be courageous enough to express the alternative ethic even if that attracted criticism as well as denunciations.

What is needed is a complete or near complete alternative sexual and marriage ethic.

Expressing opinion about sexual ethics is important for me personally. Many individuals who may easily give up Islam would not do so because they, as many have confided in me, assume Islam is a good excuse to keep their womenfolk, daughters, sisters or wives in the house, insulated from sexual contact with outsiders. Moreover, because this concern of Kurdish men, I usually assure them that the evolutionary liberalism which I advocate promotes morality much better than Islam does, and denying that Islam supports the right morality. That is why it would also be incumbent on me to delineate what kind of sexual ethic I believe to be compatible with evolutionary liberal democracy. For this purpose we will need to consider certain points:

Firstly, the tendency to prevent sexual access to females by an alpha male is displayed across many species and it is not unique to human beings. From the point of view of the theory of the Selfish Gene, it can be predicted that, other things being equal, a gene informing such a behavior is more likely to survive than its allele that does not encode such behavior. In a way sexual jealousy is the way of a selfish gene to ensure its own survival. Now, to explain the biological root of a phenomenon does not entail that it can be discarded as unneeded. However, considering the biological root of sex and other traits associated with sexual reproduction allows us to construct our values more rationally and humanely. The possible implication of this view is that should a man wanted a child of his own he should ask the woman to bear his child without forcing her to abandon her personal liberty just to satisfy his urges for dominance and sexual jealousy. Since forming a pair is necessary for the right upbringing of children they should tend to make a contract to stay together to care for the child. Perhaps, a modern family needs to be clear on all these matters.

Secondly, present marriage institutions can be seen as a relic of a time when ideologies dominated and thus male dominated female. In the past, women were being sold men, and as a woman was regarded as lesser human, she was not given the chance about the details of the contract she would enter to. Her sexual fidelity would not be asked from her because that would entail that she can have a say in the matter. Instead she was used as a property, who should do what expected from a property or else be destroyed and disposed of.[2]

Of course, sexual fidelity would be better option and can ensure greater protection from sexual diseases and perhaps greater confidence as well as love between the partners. However, most of such benefits can only be obtained voluntarily. In any case, it is possible, currently, to verify who is the father of a baby and it is also verifiable matter if the parent stay around to care for a child. But fidelity and complete devotion are not as verifiable, on the part of both sexes. So perhaps a marriage contract should leave these additional benefits out and they should be placed in the care of the partners to be nurtured on daily bases without taking them for granted.

Thirdly, in regard to whether we should respect sexual liberty or not, I would say that sexual liberty is better than sexual deprivation. The reasons for this can be many. Firstly, what is usually prohibited is  heterosexuality and this puts greater pressure towards sexual abuse of boys and children as well as anyone can tell, other animals, specifically donkeys in rural areas. Many male as well as females become traumatized because of this deprivation and gender separation. Many males unfortunately take the role of guard and enforcer of the separation of sexes, a task that turns them violent and callous. Sexual liberty would not be harmful if health concerns and contraceptives are taken in case the partners were not ready for a child.

Fourthly, I should also say that I am not urging the encouragement of sexual contact. This is a private matter and should be left for the discretion of the individuals involved. In any case, from the evolutionary political theory perspective the aim for life which I see as the most sublime is seeking of creativity through knowledge and arts. Although, it is obvious individuals should not be made to suffer because of sexual deprivation.

Finally, I should say that Islamic sexual mores are not something that demands sexual abstinence or sexual fidelity unconditionally. In Islam four free women, and unlimited slave girls, are allowed for the gratification of the sexual urges of the dominant and wealthy males.[3] Women and even little girls who do not have much choice, if any choice at all, are used as vessels for procreation and for the gratification of men without giving that much consideration to their sexual needs. This Islamic sexual morality does not care if either the poor and marginalized males did not find sexual mates for themselves and are left to suffer or seek sexual transgression against boys or animals. (See also Islam on the Couch regarding how Islamic sexual ethics is used to mobilize the youth and prevent their integration within their host countries).

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[1] ‘God has promised you rich booty, and has given you this with all promptness. He has stayed your enemies' hands, so that He may make your victory a sign to true believers and guide you along a straight path’ (The Koran, 48:20, p. 512).

[2] This following verse shows that there is a concept of women as property. Although it is obvious that it is concerned with justice. It also shows that the subsequent anger about women choice, which come to characterize the attitude towards women, were not prevalent at the early stages of Islam. This underline my point the honour killing is not a part of Islam but it is engendered by the culture of Islam, which relying on violence for arbitrating political power struggle.

‘And if any of your wives deserts you to the Unbelievers, and ye have an accession (by the coming over of a woman from the other side), then pay to those whose wives have deserted the equivalent of what they had spent (on their dower). And fear Allah, in Whom ye believe (The Koran, 060:011).

[3] ‘O Prophet! surely We have made lawful to you your wives whom you have given their dowries, and those whom your right hand possesses out of those whom Allah has given to you as prisoners of war, and the daughters of your paternal uncles and the daughters of your paternal aunts, and the daughters of your maternal uncles and the daughters of your maternal aunts who fled with you; and a believing woman if she gave herself to the Prophet, if the Prophet desired to marry her-- specially for you, not for the (rest of) believers; We know what We have ordained for them concerning their wives and those whom their right hands possess in order that no blame may attach to you; and Allah is Forgiving, Merciful’ (The Koran 033.051, 033.050).




















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SarahMon, 11 Feb 2008 10:57:28

Asalamu Alakium(peace be upon you)
When you address anything that has to do with the Ayahs of Quran or hadeeth of beloved prophet Muhammad(saw), you need to be very careful on how you understand it. Meaning, when you quote from Quran, understand 1)when the verse was sent 2) and why it was sent ( purpose) I got very confused from what i read because you don't make sense to me. Islam gave and still give men and women full EQUAL rights, Islam bring people from darkness to lightness (www.turntoislam.com), Islam brings solutions to all problems youth face. I live in the U.S. and i have been in many experience living in this country in terms of talking about gender relations and sexual ethics. I was lost and i find myself back when i returned to the Quran, the True word of Allah(Swt). Human can never be FULLY happy when they are away from Allah(swt) true happiness comes only when you are close to Allah(swt) the only one God. this God is for Muslims, Christians, and Jews. All these religions go back to  monotheistic  faith, believing in one God (Allah). So whether you are trying to find other ways to convince people to your thoughts, you might fool some people, but you can't never fool Allah(swt) on the day of Judgment when you face Him. so i ask you to take my advice and  learn Islam from the right source and understanding. Here are some great websites (Islamtomorrow.com, beconvinced.com, discoverislam.com) May Allah(swt) guide us all to the right path and true message. Thank You!

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KakaiTue, 30 Oct 2007 14:32:52

Showan; I agree with one point you mentioned very very much about having an open mind. One should not be a muslim,christian, etc,just because he is brought up that way.
What belief do you follow?

1 I heard Yezidis (non muslims) did "honor killing"
2 Islam and adoption,you have misundrestood it, and you should double
check your sources. Stop spreading hatred man.

Biji Kurdistan
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Showan KhurshidThu, 14 Jun 2007 00:19:58

Chris is not an Islamic name, but strangely enough you are talking like typical Muslim – I wonder what is going on. Like Muslims you are not able to offer any argument – could it be because Islam is indefensible?  Muslims, instead, are good at misrepresenting the opponents so they can rouse the mobs to attack verbally and physically. I wonder why you are not called Mohomammed.

You want to represent me as though I am encouraging sex or hedonism – drinking, night clubs and sex. I do not. I encourage creativity, peace and good morality (respecting women) rather than brutality, discrimination, misogyny and superstition. However, I do not link morality to sex. You should not do that either. If you condemn sexuality you should condemn Mohammed before anyone else. He married tens of women and had many slave girls. He could not even restrain himself and married a nine year old child. Moreover, in order to marry the wife of his adopted son he made Allah to send him a verse allowing him to marry her and thus abolishing adoption in Islam in the process. Did you wonder why there is not
adoption in Islam? 

So from the Islamic point of view you cannot criticise people for having sex. All your Khalifs and Malifs had hundreds of harem and marem. However, I should leave you now so that you to get on with considering these ideas and also to look up these new words. But I must also say that I really enjoy your kind of discussions because it gives me justification to use this style of my discussion, which is otherwise completely neglected unfortunately, although it is the most enjoyable to me.
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ChrisWed, 06 Jun 2007 03:14:42

It is obvious that Dr. Showan Khurshid's thinking as evidenced in his essay is not
only strange, but he is flatly biased, bigoted and blinkered.  Now why on earth do young people who date and go to night clubs have to have sex every chance they get is a product of a perverse mind, along with the idea of alpha males keeping all those females for themselves.

Actually, there is nothing to debate since according to the Cairo declaration of human rights in Islam:
Article 6: Woman is equal to man in human dignity, and has rights to enjoy as well as duties to perform.? http://www.oicun.org/articles/54/1/
Cairo-Declaration-on-Human-Rights-in-Islam/1.html?

I fail to believe the reported reasons for Dua's murder and feel there were other
reasons the family had which will probably not come to light.

If the horrific murder of an innocent, young Kurdish girl, Dua Khalil Aswad,
serves any purpose, hopefully it will be to raise awareness that many women of
the world are often faced with the horrible crime of "honor killing". This needs to stop. People need to honor their daughters, sisters, wives and mothers instead of trying to destroy them.
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ShowanWed, 30 May 2007 11:28:32

Kak Goran, thank you for your concern about the dignity and honour of Kurds. Although I am quite uncertain about how uch dignity and honour we are left with after murdering Dua.

Do not you agree that murder was a complete disgrace? If so just, tell me, what would you do about it? Your rejection of honour killing has not been enough. Dua is just one example it is being repeated daily -- ask our lady writers and they will tell.
I am suggesting changing our culture. Our culture, insofar as it is based on Islam is simply awful.

I do not see any reason that we should deprive our youths, of all sexes from enjoyment of each others' company even if that involved having sex. There are contraceptives, and people can be clever about that. It is better than seeking sex in heaven with 72 horis (voluptuous virgins promised in the Koran) and for which resorting to blow up themselves and others just to speed up the process. It is also better than other methods -- although no need to list them all here.

I cannot understand why people should suffer for such a stupid mentality of Islam.
However, I am impressed by your capability for discussion, considering that you say you are 17 years old and in Selemani. I would encourage you to carry debating and be open minded please.    

So thanks sincerely and hope you will be on the side of peace, progress
and creativity and indeed on the side of good morality and not war,
cruelty, intolerance and insolance.

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GoranWed, 30 May 2007 01:26:22

Oh come on guys this is not true at all I am 17 years old I am living in Suleymani right now. I don't think that this article represents the main problem in Kurdistan; it's just you that represent us in a way you can hardly believe. I am a teenager and I talk with girls. I have female friends but of course sex is not allowed for me and I ok and agree what that. If I have sex with a girl and she gets pregnant?? What am I suppose to do. What would be your attitude if someone at any age had sex with your daughter and as soon as she got pregnant he easily walks away, 'coz he is not ready for having a kid and he is not allowed in Islam.

I am not so religious but I think the best thing about Islam is controlling your desires. Ok you are talking about freedom of sex! You think it's something logical what's happening in Europe and America?? A lot of children without father, a lot of people sleeping on the street just because their father liked to have sex at that time and he just couldn't stand having a child he just walked away like nothing ever happened!! What do you think of that community?? Ok if you really love a girl fine go and ask her for marriage, it's no more like that she maybe married by force or sth like that! You must have lived in Kurdistan 80 years ago 'coz you can't see such a thing right now. You just have to go out and see couples out side and see that they just got married 'coz they loved each other or you can see a lot of couples dating out there. If it's like how you think, how come all this is happening right now?? Or you have never lived in Kurdistan ever and you want to make people believe that in Kurdistan all that wildness is going on?? You really embraced your self and your country. I don't say Kurdistan is perfect, we have a lot of problems going on here about facilities of living more important than having sex with who ever you see right away! You want to use those sick believes to make peoples believe that is how we are living in Kurdistan?! About honor killing I totally disagree with it, it belongs to the sick minds that think they're men of honor. They lack the ability of solving those problems and kill their daughter or son that had sex in that way means the lack of honor inside them. There are also parents that kill the boy who had sex with their daughter and they're not Muslim. Also there are many other Christians that make money with their bodies and they dare to say that having sex is a big problem in Kurdistan.
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Shorsh said.......

Hi All

I agree with the author of this article. The point here is how we should go beyond our personal, religous, national or ethnic charactersitics and submit our shortcomings and try to address them for change and betterment.

Sex, youth and the ongoing social issues realted to this topics are adversly inflicting a great damage to our society.

Social liberty, sex education, more openenss for youth to decide their future life is desparately needed.

We live in a troubled region, we are influenced by our suroundings and we have to admit that we do have issues that is a mtter of disgrace.

Well done Showan. Please keep writting more critically, but analytically and intellectually.
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Paul said...

I live in Kurdistan.You obviously don't. I'm a non muslim. Honor killings are a reflection of Islam, which, as many people say, is a scam and nothing else.
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Ako said...

I agree with Paul.  I lived in Kurdistan all my life before moving to U.S. but honor killing is, without a doubt, reflection of Islam.

It's not the people it's the religion.

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Eric said...

Do furstrated young men in Kurdistan REALLY try to bugger kids and DONKEYS because they can't find a date?  Cmon now...this all stems from the basic human inability to MIND YOUR OWN DAMN BUSINESS!  Try trusting your young adults, male and female, and supporting them rather than keeping a foot on their necks.. I'm pretty sure they can't be DUMBER than the generations who made the aforementioned conditions possible.(donkeys..really)

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Osman Suoor said...

There are some problematic ethical sex issues occurring in Kurdistan, not just in this era but also even before. But obviously as Dr Showan has outlined, these deviations from ethical norms can be returned to the traditional and cultural issues, which is based on Islamic religion. It is true that Islam has given a right to men to
marry four wives but this should be explained for the people that this must be prohibited because for this modern era is not only unacceptable but it is creating problems in the society. Also there is some negligence by the Kurdish authority towards the youth social, economical and political welfare in order to raise their standard of living and their morale. This is a dangerous issue not only for this generation but to the future generation to come.  

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Showan said...

Well what I said is that honor killing is a result of violence mentality engendered and even encouraged by Islam. However, I have not come across a Koranic verse that says ‘kill women who you suspect of sex outside marriage!’ The verse in endnotes give a different impression of Islamic attitude.

The disgraceful condition in which Kurds and in fact most of if not all Muslims are finding themselves in is due to Islam. Sexual abuse of children and vulnerable people and even of animals, is more even shockingly widespread than you can imagine.

This is of course very embarrassing, but it is truth, which I think everyone knows. It needs a bit of courage and depends on whose side you are standing.

Our concepts of what is right and what is wrong impact very greatly on our psyche and behavior. The ethics I have been proposing in this above article and also in 'Meaning of Life Available to Us' also on Kurdishaspect.com are to point out some alternative ways. I am suggesting that it is not a shame if Kurdish young people boys or girls dated other young people. I do not find any good reason that they should not as free as other people of the world. What is shameful is to be violent and disregard creativity as Islam encourages. Ordaining inequality between sexes
and between people on the bases of their religions is wrong and shameful. Prohibiting free thinking is wrong and shameful.
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Kamuran said......

This so called "Doctor" is making   very dangerous conclusions about the Kurdish society without even referring to a single source! In all this so total new view of the Kurdish society, the guy is using only three sources, and all three of them are from the Holy Book of Islam, The Quran.

So what conclusions can we make from this? First of all, this guy is not a doctor, and even if he is, I wonder what the graduators and teachers who approved him thought about...Secondly, I am really sure about that this guy has a different agenda talking about Kurds having sex with donkeys and small kids?? Are you talking from self- experience? Of course these things happen, and also a few girls and boys in the States and Europe are having sex with animals too, but does that mean that all people here are inclined to that kind of sexual behavior?

So please, cut the crap. I know who you are. You are a lousy Iranian. And this is the first time I  visited this home site, and seeing you publishing an article like this, means that you have other things in your agenda than lobbying for the Kurdish issue, an issue so clean and bright based on human rights and principals, that you, probably Iranians trying making a "Trojan Horse"-thing, hate it so much that you are more concerned about fighting it not wanting any Neighbors’, especially not the Kurds who you see as slaves, create something better than you can.

This was the first time and last time I will visit this site.
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Showan said....

I do not know what kind of evidence Kamuran expects (a picture with a donkey! or a statement by a donkey!) – it is an open secret. As for the abuse of children. It is undeniable. In fact, Iran, Iraq, Saudi Arabia are even much more worse than Kurdistan. It was not very long time ago, some news surfaced that there are boys brothels in Pakistan.

I guess it is just a fake pride that is driving you to say what you say. I do not like fake pride. I prefer to be truthful and if there is a problem, then to discuss it openly. Of course, the truth about my people, if not praiseworthy, will be painful to me as well. But admitting truth is the first step you should take.  Someone who claims to be concerned with the good of his people and who does not want people to suffer
unnecessarily will acknowledge the bitter truth and try to reform. Of course, I do not know you. Perhaps, you are a good person and have a good intention. But I know that fake pride is not a good approach. Fake pride is for people who do not want to be in the spotlights so that they can mess about, and I hope you are not one of them.

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Azzi said........

You are embarrassing us Kurds. You are some one who's trying to become something he is not. I don’t see that there is a sex issue in the Kurdish community and do not include Islam in this, your story makes it way to obvious for us to realize that you don’t like Islam and you are anti-Islam. Were you not a Muslim before moving out? Honor killing is something in our tradition I’ve heard of so many honor killings when I was a kid.    Islam gives the women the same right it has given to men. In Islam womens' actions are limited they are not discriminated against.
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Showan said....

happen to know about some of the sexual transgression of Kurds and other Muslims in Europe and that embarrasses me a lot as well. I am writing so that we Kurds wake up and take up a creative pathway rather a destructive pathway, which is pointed out by Islam. You say that Islam believes in gender equality. It seems you do not know anything about Islam. Read this ayas from the Koran, which is posted in the article: ‘Men Have authority over women because God has made the
one superior to the other, and because they spend their wealth to maintain them. Good women are obedient. They guard their unseen parts because God has guarded them. As for those from whom you fear disobedience, admonish them and forsake them in beds apart, and beat them. Then if they obey you, take no further action against them. Surely God is high, supreme’ (The Koran 4:34).

What equality are you talking about? They have just deceived you and you are gullible.

In Southern Iraq when Arab men talk about women in a formal way, they say “with all due respect to you; women”. The same expression is used, in fact, when they mention donkeys and shoes. I was exiled in the Southern Iraq and that is why I know. Read my ‘Islam on the Couch’ to know how honor killing evolved from
Islam.

Any way what is the appeal of Islam to you. What is beautiful in Islam? Just tell me. The beheading? Or the Killing of Muslims by Muslims or killing the non-Muslims by Muslims? Why are so naïve and ignorant? Does Islam have a peaceful political culture? No! EVEN MOHAMMED’S COMPANIONS KILLED EACH OTHER AFTER HIS DEATH. DO YOU KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT ISLAM’S HISTORY? Did they told that Islam is great and that is why you think you are
qualified enough to tell me that I am wrong? Go read your Koran first and know about the history of Islam. Come later tell me about, who killed Othman bn Afan? Who did kill Ali bn ibi Talib? Who did kill Hussein and Hassan, Ali’s sons and Mohammed’s grandsons? Who were Amaweit and Abbassids who warred against each other? Discussion need knowledge and not just assumption of knowledge on top of ignorance.

I hope you will be brave and come back and answer.

It is good of course that you talk and discuss because at least you discover your ignorance. But I wished that when you are just opening up to the world of ideas you should read and do your homework a bit. Rest assure, what I am offering you is far superior to Islam and Koran. At least I suggest creativity and peace as the mark of good human and not jihad against people who do not believe in Mohammed who allowed taking spoils of war including taking women as spoils of war.

In regard to sex, I do not say that sexual aggression is specific to Kurds. But I am certain that a woman walking on a busy street, or riding on a busy bus in any Islamic city will confirm the awful standard of behavior of the majority of men, which is the result of the Islamic sexual norms that suit only the dominant and rich male

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