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A Kurdish teenager was stoned to death By her family in city of MOSUL

Kurdishaspect.com - By: Kameel Ahmady
Mina Rojdar- Mosul Iraq/Kurdistan

According to a Kurdish website Jebar.info  up to 1000 men from Yezidi Kurdish community of MOSUL city killed a deserted (run away) teenager who’s only crime was running away and marry a Muslim man who she loved and later converted to his religious.

Since four months ago the girl had been given shelter by local Muslim Sheik. It was reported that in the last few days her family persuaded her to return back home convincing her that she had been forgiven by her parents and relatives for her mistake.

In a short mobile video clip which appears to have been taken by locals at seen of the murder, the girl is seen being ambushed on her way home by a group of up to 1000 men who were waiting for her to return and killed her in the most brutal way possible, by throwing large stones on her head. The following clips show that while she is alive and crying for help she is taunted and kicked in her stomach until someone finishes her off by throwing a large stone on her face.

From the clips it appears that the girl was first stripped naked to symbolise that she had dishonoured her family and her Yezidi religion. She is lying on the road naked while her smashed face is covered with blood and still breathing.

According to the website and footage from the clip a number of armed local police officers were present who in fact helped the crowd to kill the woman rather than preventing the crime. Sometime later the Iraqi army arrived at the scene and refused anyone entry including the press.

Killing women for reasons of honour, shame and religion dose happens in regions of Kurdistan and Iraq. The above incidents are not uncommon in some of the deeply religious and traditional communities. For long violence against women is commonly used as a political and religious weapon and as a means of social control.


There is no honour in murder


To see the video clips click here.

Warning: viewers will find this film very disturbing

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JohnThu, 21 Jun 2007 14:49:22
This isn't a game who knows best about the  coran or bible. It's pretty obvious that this senseless act had nothing to  do with religion and is merely an excuse. It was a spectacle,  purposefully instigated by either parents or surroundings. Desperate measures?  Maybe they couldn't support her financially? Maybe she stole a sandwich? Any other excuse other than having a relationship with someone from  another community. Wait, ofcourse, it was just a spectacle, just like the  killings that resulted after this. This is common tradition in that  area as we obviously all can see. Pure stupidity. It just makes me sick  knowing that this happened, while it shouldn't have happened. Those  pathetic loud mouthed bystanders aren't worth commenting on. Even  authorities are questionable. Instead of sending military, maybe we should  collectively send these people money to buy the newest cellphones. I feel  sad to have watched this.
FromKing of North
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A civilized personWed, 20 Jun 2007 19:31:35
"Parker" thanks for your comment. It's make  feeling good to find some one who is really informed about what he has  writing :).
If the muslims have really undertood and praticied their religion, the  women in those contries will have more rights than they have today. We  shall not forget that in the most islamic countries the most of people  are unalphabet. They can not write nor read. How do you want that this  people really understand their own religion! If you learn about islam  from its book (Coran) not from the bad things commited by the muslims,  you will understand that the islam is innocent from what you have seen  in this video.
FromMore civilized location
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JoeWed, 20 Jun 2007 18:20:24
"parker" So, based on your comments, we can  assume you oppose your country's  dealing "out death and judgement" in  Iraq 100,000 times more than you opposed this singular death?
Since most USA is christian, I find it hard to digest you saying that  killing is exclusively a muslim trait.
Let me be more forthcoming. Your posting this pedantic biblical  bull... says it all. You and your religious ilk are morally bankrupt. As  usual, you insinuate yourself and your mantras into every situation of  grief. Always talking at your victims. Here you are blatantly mongering  your fish in the wake of this tragedy. You are a shameless carbunkle on  the face of humanity.
FromUSA
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ParkerWed, 20 Jun 2007 14:29:41
Well as far as pork goes’ that this was  required by God of His people in the Old Testament. He set up many laws to  keep His people pure. As pigs were seen as animals that ate garbage etc.  God called them unclean. Pigs/pork was not an acceptable sacrifice for  the atonement for sins. However, in the New Testament, this law was  "lifted." Because of Jesus' death on the cross (and resurrection),
sacrifices were no longer needed as Jesus was the final sacrifice and faith  in Him was the only way man could be pure before God. It was no longer  necessary for God's people to leave by these strict rules. God declares  this once unclean food clean in the following passage in a dream to  Peter. Acts 11:4-10"4 Peter began and explained everything to them  precisely as it had happened: "I was in the city of Joppa praying, and in a  trance I saw a vision. I saw something like a large sheet being let down  from heaven by its four corners, and it came down to where I was. I
looked in to it and saw four-footed animals of the earth, wild beasts, reptiles,  and birds of the air. Then I heard a voice telling me, 'Get up, Peter.  Kill and eat.' "I replied, surely not, Lord! Nothing impure or unclean  has ever entered my mouth.' "The voice spoke from heaven a second time,  'Do not call anything impure that God has made clean. This happened  three times, and then it was all pulled up to heaven again." There's  nothing wrong with keeping the kosher food laws, but it is not necessary.  If you feel guilty eating pork, then don't do it, because that is a sin.
But if you do not feel guilty than your free to eat as long as you  don’t gorge, and this was true for the Gentiles who Paul was preaching  too In the New Testament, it does not matter what you eat. If you  don’t agree with me, well that’s your right. Unless you live in Iraq and  have no rights, where it’s up to some guy with a gun or rock to  decide your faith. This is just one of the many reasons why I chose to be
agnostic. Anyways lets not forget what this website page was designed to be for, a
brave woman in a curl world, who never had a chance at love, life and  pursue of happiness there are many more important issues to discuss. Rather talking about food (which is really not an issue at all) we need to focus on what we can do as caring people to help others who don’t have a choice. After watching this video and reading her story. I felt compelled to do my part and help. So now I’m a member of Amnesty International, now I don’t feel so hopeless anymore and maybe in some way I can made a difference. We have to take care of one another and ill say
it again. Before anyone decides to become a Christian, Catholic, Muslim or what ever Tribal Religion you chose to be ……..YOUR A HUMAN-BEING FIRST and no one regardless of your faith or how strongly you may feel about it has no right to deal out death and judgment.
FromU.S.A.
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ErikWed, 20 Jun 2007 07:30:37
Every time something like this happend, some  muslim come out and say this  has nothing to do with islam. why does this  happen every day in islamic contrys.muslims say islam means pease....  yea right.Every girl that is born a muslim will never have 100% the  same rights that the muslim man. becose the muslim man see the woman as  lower. if religion is band, 90% of all war will stop.
FromNorway
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A civilized personTue, 19 Jun 2007 19:27:25
Joe It's true that the web is filled with political commentary about women being mistreated in islamic countries! But, it does not mean that the Islam is encouraging to misstreat women. If you have learnt a little bit about the islamic history, you will see that the Islam has given more rights to women than they had before.
In the USA for example, which is a christian country, any person there has probably sleeped with an other one which is not his wife or her husband! It does not mean that christianity encourages people to sleep with an other person which is not his wife (her husband).    I think, the muslims know more about the christanity as the christians. By the way, the bible prohibits the eating of pork (See: Leviticus, chapter 11), and probably all christians are eating pork :). 
FromMore civilized location
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JoeMon, 18 Jun 2007 01:00:15
"chris" How about this statistic in taliban-land:
The John's Hopkins study says,"Of the 629 deaths reported, 87 percent occurred after the invasion. A little more than 75 percent of the dead were men, with a greater male preponderance after the invasion. For violent post-invasion deaths, the
male-to-female ratio was 10-to-1, with most victims between 15 and 44 years old."
Does this sound like misogyny?
By the way, The web is so filled with political commentary about women being mistreated in muslim countries that they don't have time to actually run the numbers. So, without political motivation ( since the numbers are against their secular feminist religion ) nobody has really gotten down to the nitty gritty data.
But we do have the statistics on the serb "war." Men and boys slaughtered in droves.
You probably don't want to read any more of this because it goes against your "religion."
FromUSA
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ShirazSat, 16 Jun 2007 22:23:39
Well I don’t know what to say I can’t believe that some one can do like this As a Muslim I can only say this is not allowed in Islam as well as in any Religion Christian, Jews, and Muslims no one is allowed for such act I think those who did this were non civilized people. Who don’t have any knowledge of religion or humanity. They just wanted to punish that girl because she disobeyed them And tried to come out of this hell living society.  I think it will be better now that we all civilized people come together and try to save other girls and boys who want to get out of this hell society  and make sure this don’t happen again. I m very much hopeful that my civilized friends will agree to me and try to save others 
FromPakistan
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A civilized personSat, 16 Jun 2007 15:24:00
I can't understand people who judges a religion as bad (polution) throw some savage people who pretends practicing this religion.
Before saying any thing about a religion (Islam, Christianity, Juche...),  it's better to learn about this religion throw reading its books (coran, bible, ...) and asking people who studied these religions about the real meaning of what you are reading. FromMore civilized location
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JaeSat, 16 Jun 2007 05:01:29
Wow! To hear Christians talk the way you all are talking! No wonder there are aetheists in this world. People you must realize that not only is there a God (and a son and a Holy Spirit), there is also a fallen angel known as Satan who has infiltrated and manipulates the minds of millions. God has made us all free moral agents to live and do as we choose although he would like for us to choose him,
it's our choice. All of the mess in this world is based on the choices we make as human beings. As christians we are to be a peculiar people, set apart. However because we are human and don't always do what God desires he has given us grace, and everytime we ask him to, he forgives us of our trespasses. God is love. There is no love in the act performed here, it was pure evil. I say all of this to say that as long as people continue to look at 'man' to be perfect for that religion he claims, he will always be lower than that man. We are to look at God in heaven, who is perfect and loving, and no matter who says they don't believe in him, it won't stop him from loving you. God says Jesus will not return until everyone from all four corners of the earth has had an opportunity to receive salvation. I just hope and pray that those of you who are non believers stop listening and watching these bad examples out here and start looking to the almighty God. Hint, that little voice in your head that you always say 'something told you to listen to' is usually God
directing your path. Try him for yourself, you won't be dissapointed. Then you can join those of us who pray against things like this amongst other things,and get results. The word of God says 'the effectual fervent prayer of the righteous availeth much.'
FromUSA
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JoeSat, 16 Jun 2007 03:38:05
"chris" Your criticism that my bringing jesus into the argument was spurious because he was preaching to the Romans is wrong. If we assume he was only addressing the person he was speaking to at the time,  the new testament would be rather empty. ( personally I think it is already empty )  Parables chrissy boy, he was speaking in parables.
My last attempted posting to you was so voluminous that the site didn't post it. Understandable. There's no way to convince you even if I wrote a book. Let me summarize what it is that I am saying about the event that led to this debate.
The incident of the stoning was reprehensible, but it is an insignificant part of a much more pervasive evil. I am telling you that men are the victims of their cultures. A ubiquitous flaw in all cutures is the assumption that men are evil and women are good simply because men have to do the dirty work. They are forced, in every culture to advance the will of that culture's mores. They didn't ask for that job. They were condemned to it by birth.
It is fundamental in the USA. "A boy has to take care of himself." "girls are made of sugar and spice .." jails are full of men" "never hit a girl" . men take the crappiest jobs.. from crawling in the  filth of septic systems to dying in the front lines in battle. The USA is replete with that truth. This is not a small "inequity" that needs some simple adjustment.  It is the mainspring of the same immoral behavior that killed this girl. Your brushing it aside shows how victimized you are. You
can't accept the truth when it smacks you in the head. You are afraid to face it. Read Plato's Allegory of the Cave and you may get some reprieve from your blindness. 
FromUSA
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JoeFri, 15 Jun 2007 21:51:10
"chris" How you reverse everything. By ignoring my central argument (or missing its import) it is YOU who is ignoring my "worthwhile" discourse.
If you just go to the web and dig a little, you will see that the american view of the world conveniently ignores the plight of men in every situation and amplifies the significance of mistreatment of women. That viewpoint is a complete distortion of the way the world works but it is universally accepted. Look at any actuarial table for any country and you will see men die violently at much higher rates than women. That is a truth which you have been trained since birth to rationalize away.
Yet when  that violence spills onto a few women.. now you say.. oh that's wrong let's fix it and the world will be made right.
It is me telling you that there needs to be a reformulation of cultures. It is you who is refusing reform. It is hard to fix one's own culture because the culture is itself the measuring stick we use to assess right and wrong.  Thus we are prevented from measuring its goodness or badness because we can't get outside the culture to measure it. But thankfully there are enough perverts like me that were never completely acculturated. (not by plan).
Now here I am trying to convince you that your measuring stick is warped. No matter what evidence I submit, you rationalize it away. This situation is classically described in Plato's 'allegory of the cave.'  There is probably nothing I can say that will convince you otherwise because it all gets filtered by your arrested cultural outlook. In fact, you are one of those thousand guys. You are as much in the grip of your vile culture as they. Do you know how many people are killed capriciously
everyday in and by your "civilized" country... in your name? Men, like you, do the killing. And the answer is more death penalties, and invading other countries and slapping enormous numbers of people into overcrowded cages. (aka jails). So the anser to the violence is more violence, and the terror grows. Don't you want to get off this treadmill?
One more attempt. I'm patient.. if this web site will indulge me.
When you saw this video you were repulsed by the savagery of a large group of men stoning this helpless girl who had really done nothing wrong. See? I completely understand what you are thinking. I can write it in one sentence. But you do not understand what I am telling you. I'm telling you how to fix it.. everywhere. What you saw was a mirage. The true evil of this event permeates every culture, especially ours. The evil is not misogyny, or "honor killing," or a gang of violent men. It is the culture that gives emphasis to the beast in man. But it CAN BE FIXED. The root of the problem is in the global culture.
One of the worse tendencies for humans is to cure symptoms rather than the disease.  That's like Bush planting a "democracy" in Iraq to fix everything. We planted a democracy in Zimbabwe (where women vote) and the breadbasket of Africa wilted. It didn't fix anything. Neither will this invasion.
This is the answer. Men must redefine themselves to decouple the atavistic ape from the cultural mores. I'm not talking about effeminizing men because if anything women are even more violent than men. I am talking about removing the cultural bondage that forever ties men to animal brutishness. It is the global culture of ape-ism that has to be cured. We need to be de-aped.  The military is one of the worse offenders for sustaining the status quo. Apism is expressed in team sports and
competition for sex and street gangs and governments and religions and etc. All
of these encourage the violence of men and harnesses it to destroy other humans. That's it. I've had enough.
FromUSA
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ChrisThu, 14 Jun 2007 17:50:04
Joe—Obviously you feel inferior therefore you need to resort to name-calling, thereby negating anything worthwhile you may say.  Yes, we are on the moon and will never understand each other.  I’m calling for reform within cultures, and you seem content with the status quo and apparently justify the sheik calling for Dua’s execution since he is a representative of a god or is god on earth. You seem to be ok with “martyrs” because it has been programmed into them, and that’s mainly in
Pakistan.  So can you point to 5,000 gay Muslims or unwilling martyrs who are hung, beheaded or killed by their very own families on a  yearly basis—somehow I doubt that. You see, there have to be rules, and they are not at the whim of some old crank who wouldn’t dream of risking his life in the same way. Sorry, these ideas hold no water in the US or in England where fathers/uncles who commit the “honor killing” of their young women are appropriately punished.  Severe punishment usually does not  discourage these heinous crimes from continuing, but cultural education does, and we need more of it.
And don’t bring Jesus into this discussion; the whole “give unto Caesar” line was written for the benefit of the Romans.  There is no “man-hating” on my part or on the part of my culture where rules apply to both genders.  Yes, we have problems in applying rules fairly and evenly and at times we are not as democratic as should be, but stoning and “honor killing” as it is practiced belong in the ancient times not now and for shame on those who still do this and condone it.  Jesus was also quoted saying, whoever is without sin should throw the first stone.  It’s a line better remembered then many of the others found in the bible. Adios.
FromUSA
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SteveThu, 14 Jun 2007 16:45:58
This world we live in is so messed up.  Religion is the true  devil.  More people die casue of religion, when we all should know there is no god or heaven. they should all be kiiled and tortured, anyone in a different country that is not normal. 
FromConnecticutt  US
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JohnThu, 14 Jun 2007 08:55:28
Religion is dangerous. Islam is pollution.
These kurds, muslims, arabs, yezidi, who- and whatever they are, whoever you offend with your offspring or community. You've shown the world your true colors. Mentally ill by nature, brainwashed by religion, evil unleashed by satan itself, seeds planted by former ancesters rooting back to stoneage. The release of this video alone has caused other senseless acts of barbarism already (against your own kind).
Every monkey part of that sadistic herd from hell that sees himself back in that video should come to senses and come to a conclusion that it is probably best to find the nearest rope, or sharpened stick by lack of better means, and hang yourself to death.
Anyone, religious or not, whoever feels to defend this, or comes up with some sort of defensive arguement based on religion or culture or association need to get their heads examined, or really waste some more time studying your personal book of God's wisdom before spewing out random ill interpreted (based on intellect) passages and scriptures justifying everything and yourself.
Fromsome civilized location
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JoeThu, 14 Jun 2007 05:49:01
"chris" I am reticent to dominate this web site with a debate over the point I have tried to make over and over. But just one more try to penetrate your thick american skull is worth the effort.
If you had 100 people lined up to be shot, ninety nine of which were men and one woman, even you could see that it would be silly to say that the killing of the woman was an act of "misogynistic brutes."
The "honor killing" title is only one of the many ways that this middle east culture kills its adherents. How about men who perform one homosexual act? What do you think happens to them? That is a cultural taboo too and is punishable by death and not in very pleasant ways. Yet it is strange that the web is not full of debates about misanthropy.
And that's only a single taboo. They have a lot more and they enforce them everyday against men. Men are also called upon by cultural demand to defend their religion (martyrdom) and homes.. this requirement has been programmed into them since birth. Not their fault.
With respect to your proposition that these guys "knew they were doing something wrong," becaue they ran away afterwards. That is a complete misreading of the middle east. All justice comes from tradition/god. If the laws are not consistent with the sheik's command, it is not only ok to break the laws, but required. However breaking the laws does not require that they stand there afterwards until the police come to arrest them. They know they have to break the laws of man to fulfill the law of god. (in fact J.C. said as much in "give unto caesar.."
My final statement is that this was not an act of a thousand men against a single woman as much as a culture against  humanity. Unfortunately in man-hating, we have a culture that is nearly identical.
From USA
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ChrisWed, 13 Jun 2007 23:02:31
joe  "Yet they have no power to stop cultural and religious traditions..."
“Cultural and religious traditions?”  The Kurds are said to promote democracy.  Recently, they have had their own stable government, and we spent an awful lot of taxpayer dollars seeing to it that the Kurds have their democracy.  It is time they give up their cruel and unusual punishments that are inflicted at the whim of the masters.  Now if you also bring religion into this, you’ll have a lot of people upset.  The only reason the Kurdish authorities issued arrest warrants was because religion was brought up as a reason for Dua’s execution.  While some have said that no religious text condones stoning, there are examples of it in the OT; I don't know what the Koran says.
"I contend that no matter how ugly and inhumane this act was against this woman, the men involved were driven by forces over which they have no control."
The men certainly did know that what they did is wrong and stoning is against the law.  They had sense enough to run and hide before being found didn't they.  They were afraid for their lives, weren't they.  Four policemen were held for a while and let go, since the sheik announced that they really had no power to stop the execution (which he ordered).  The supposed “Kurdish Romeo” had sense enough
to flee for his life.  But no one allowed Dua to flee or did anything to help her get to a safe house before being taken and killed in the street.  The sheik wields tremendous power over the populace, the police and Iraqi army in his jurisdiction,
because there has been a complete breakdown in Iraqi society.  So if this is what you mean, then we are in agreement.
"It's about time we put an end to the bad thinking that men are brutes and disposable." I never said men are disposable.  The ones who planned and executed Dua’s murder are misogynistic brutes, and all the others were caught
up in a mob mentality or strangely too afraid to act to protect her even though they had weapons.  Bush should demand that the Kurdish allies put a stop to “honor killing” since it brings them and as a result us nothing but dishonor, and as Talabani said, the Kurd’s dirty laundry is out now.
FromUSA
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JoeWed, 13 Jun 2007 07:15:31
"chris" I fell into that trap once.. that it is men who carry out the dirty business of society so they must be guilty. But now I realize that makes the case for men even worse. They are the victims of a global social order and they are the executioners too. How foul does it get?
Men did not ask to be the "aggressive" partner. It came with the territory. And if men don't accept that power, they will have hell to pay. ( and they'll be sleeping alone )Yet they have no power to stop cultural and religious traditions that have enslaved the biological imperative to act.
The vicious aspect of the whole thing is that nobody can see men as victims except me, and I'm not that smart. What the hell has every man been doing since the dawn of time?
You say less men are killed/maimed than women for acting against cultural taboos?  You better do your homework. even in the USA 99 percent of the people in jail are men. and laws are made by men. Do you think that is because men are more evil than women? That they are more 'criminal' is a statment about society not recognizing the dilemma I just spelled out.
I contend that no matter how ugly and inhumane this act was against this woman, the men involved were driven by forces over which they have no control.
It's about time we put an end to the bad thinking that men are brutes and disposable. That would go a long way to fixing every corner of this earth. 
FromUSA
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ParkerWed, 13 Jun 2007 05:50:00
You know before anyone decides to be a Christian, Catholic or Muslim or what ever fits anyone’s cup of tea…you’re a fu**ing human-being first!! And there’s nothing human about this act…. Oh Lord where are you??
FromUSA
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ChrisTue, 12 Jun 2007 22:57:35
joe --- "MEN ARE AS VALUABLE AS WOMEN. MEN DO NOT DESERVE TO BE KIlled EITHER. So stop the crackpot value comparison."
Just one last thought.  You’re comparing apples with oranges.  These Muslim men are killing their own women.  In Dua’s case, they are Yazidis killing their own women.  What’s mind bending is that they call these murders “honor” killings in which younger familial perpetrators get off with no sentence or greatly reduced sentences.  More than likely, the sheik decided Dua's fate and prohibited
anyone from doing anything to stop it, and that included the police and members of the Iraqi army.  Because the Yazidis are such strict endogamists, my guess is that the fatalistic Romeo/Juliet story that emerged isn't true.  Rather, Dua just didn't want to marry someone they chose for her, and they finished her off for resisting.
Now, if there is true evil in the world, stoning is one  sadistic act fits the definition.  The UN does think 5,000 deaths are a low estimate for worldwide “honor” killing; at the same time, you’ll not find 5000 men being killed on a yearly basis for taboo
infringements.  In any case, they are usually buried to the waist giving them a greater chance to escape than women who are usually buried to the neck.
The closest we have to "honor killings" in the US are crimes of passion--the latest conviction and sentence was for a murdered minister's wife.  The preacher’s wife got three years for his murder of which she already spent time in jail, so she’s
getting out after 211 days in jail—there’s something very wrong with this picture in the US also. 
Sorry to make your stomach turn, but if you haven’t heard about Chechen’s claiming that Ruski soldiers boiled their kids, then you missed the claim as
shown on MSM during the Beslan hostage crisis in 2004.  The mother blamed the insanity of Beslan on retribution and vindication for the deaths of their children by the Ruskies.  But there is only so much human rights groups are allowed to do, and the police are not allowed to document what the military does regarding torture techniques of the Russians or the Saudis, Syrians or Egyptians respectively.  However, the Uzbeks have been documented using this very technique.  Russia did not sign onto the ICC but neither did the US.
FromUSA
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JoeTue, 12 Jun 2007 22:20:53
"dennis" First you say I am Turkish and then when that doesn't work you say I've never been in Turkey. And you say that I am supposed to "talk about something I know?"
You are wrong again. I have been in sweden. It was boring. I never knew a country could be so large and lack anything that resembles culture. It is a land of mindless socialistic mantras with matching architecture.
You seem to be hung up on the political correctness of "they don't respect women blah blah blah." How about you don't respect men? How about that? Not only are you racist, you're sexist too.
Your version of "respect" for women by giving them a vote is bizarre. Zimbabwe has universal suffrage. Are you calling that a sane country?
Male muslims suffer much more than the women. If you don't know that, then what can I say?
FromUSA
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MattTue, 12 Jun 2007 21:07:13
This should come as no suprise. There are very few countries that have any kind of sense at all. The problem is the world is to political. The hero who comes to ones aid usually has it`s hands tide by politics. They worry about an image they portray to everyone else, instead of doing what needs to be done to solve the issue at
hand. That's why I dislike politics. One more thing. They have these things called aiports, they have the means to leave this country.
FromUSA
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DennisTue, 12 Jun 2007 19:41:54
"Joe", I don't think we are racist in Sweden nor ignorent. Turkey, and many other countries in the middle east have a lot to learn from Sweden and USA.You have probably never been in Turkey or Sweden, so maybe you should talk about something you know. I say this again, turks have no respcet for human rights and they don't respect women. I still bealive that we can solve those problems in a free and democratic Kurdistan.
FromSweden
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JoeTue, 12 Jun 2007 15:48:50
"dennis" I don't want to draw attention away from the tragedy that this web site is exposing, but if you have been following the demonstrations in Turkey, you cannot ignore their popular resistance to becoming a muslim state.
I am not Turkish. Far from it. I am a Hellenophile to the core, and the two are mutually exclusive.
Let's move the "20 millions of kurds" from Turkey to svea and give you neutral swedes a chance to learn kurdish. You could introduce them to the samis and maybe the samis and PKK could form a separatist party and break norrbotten away from sweden by mounting murderous guerilla attacks on the neighboring swedes.
You swedes are as smug as americans.. detached, insensitive and ignorant. If racism was an olympic event, sweden would take the gold.
FromUSA
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DennisMon, 11 Jun 2007 20:28:30
"Joe", nobody deserv to be killed, but I still can't see how a turnover of Kurdistan would solve the problem. I don't think you are american, you are probably a turkis nationalist. There is allready over 20 millions of kurds in Turkey, they are not even allowed to speak their native language and you want to add another 6 millions
to those. You are not an american, you are probably turkish nationalist with no respect for anything but ataturk and racist ideas.
FromSweden
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JoeMon, 11 Jun 2007 19:45:11
"dennis" if a "free and democratic kurdistan" will give these thousand guys a thousand votes and this girl 1 vote, I don't see how that will change anything. First they will elect to stone her, and then they will.
"chris" only 5000 across the entire middle east? I imagine at least twenty men are killed for every woman. What about them?  MEN ARE AS VALUABLE AS WOMEN. MEN DO NOT DESERVE TO BE KIlled EITHER. So stop the
crackpot value comparison. Focus on the deaths of men since their deaths are
astronomically higher in every category of dying and you will make more sense.
Also, I understand that George is Having Vlad over to the cottage this week-end. Do you think they will serve his favorite meal, boiled chechen cherubs? You know, what you wrote about that was so inane I can't believe you actually typed it for us to read.
FromUSA
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ChrisMon, 11 Jun 2007 18:00:01
"Continue your support for an free and democratic Kurdistan and we will solve those problems."
The US attacked Iraq because SH was supposedly supported terrorists and terrorist groups.  So how come the US can, without any guilt, support the PKK
who ventures into Turkey and Iran.  I'm confused indeed.
FromUSA
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ChrisMon, 11 Jun 2007 17:12:17
"Vladimir Putin is the only world leader that has the courage to speak out against what is going on assertively."
The truth is that Vlady hates Muslims.  The Chechens say Ruski soldiers boil their kids held in captivity.  I didn't believe this when first hearing it, but after Dua's stoning and all the horrendous torture going on, anything is possible.   
FromUSA
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ChrisMon, 11 Jun 2007 17:05:00
The EU is demanding that Turkey put a lid on its "honor killing" considering that the country wants to become an EU member.  So, one might say the EU is trying to do something about this misogynistic behavior practiced mostly by Muslims
today as opposed to it being a more widespread Mediterranean custom.  However, the suicide rates among young Turkish as well as Kurdish girls has gone up in addition to others around the world.  These uneducated degenerates give their daughters a choice of either taking poison, a bullet or a rope. 
The UN states that about 5,000 women die as a result of honor killing yearly.
Wars come and go, enemies sign peace treaties and begin trade, but the wanton killing of women to restore the family's "honor" remains.  
FromUSA
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DennisMon, 11 Jun 2007 09:32:36
Turn the Kurdistan over the turks and problem is solve? "Joe", you are not very clever. Thousands of kurdish men and women has been killed, and still are being killed, in turkish prison and you suggest turn over of Kurdistan to turks. I have another solution for you.
Continue your support for an free and democratic Kurdistan and we will
solve those problems. Biji kurd û Kurdistan!
FromSweden
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JoeMon, 11 Jun 2007 06:26:07
This is vile of course. But before my fellow USAers get too carried away, realize that the only difference between this and cluster bombs is that these killers face their victims.
And for those of you who think that the men involved were not encouraged to do this by their women, think again. All your idiotic commentary is out of touch with reality. If a man is killed (and they are every day over there) for one of their whacky taboos, nobody notices. I guess men are expendable in your world.
And you european whimps. Your governments are accomplices to all of this killing because your greed keeps you from actually doing anything to stop it.
Vladimir Putin is the only world leader that has the courage to speak out against what is going on assertively. Why isn't europe behind him? The word cowardice comes to mind.
My answer is simple. Turn kurdistan over to the Turks. Problem solved.
FromUSA
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jjSun, 10 Jun 2007 22:37:46
The world condemns you. Be warned. Prepare for retaliation at global scale if this continues to happen. Sick underdeveloped shithole for a place to live. What about their government? The police is just standing there. Not even an animal would do such an act of pure evilness. These people call themselves men, give me a break.
Sickening, and I hope the people who participated get the same punishment as
that girl. There's no way you can live with the guilt. Let those people understand that they do the rest of the world a big favor by killing eachother off. There's no God or religion in the world that condones this.
FromEurope
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DinoSun, 10 Jun 2007 14:51:09
It has nothing to do with honour, it's pure sutpidity.
FromSweden
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HumanSat, 09 Jun 2007 22:03:10
Must be a real low form of life to just stand there and witness. These people (did I say people) have cellphones, so I assume they have internet as well, and must be reading this. I dare you to make a comment. You are twisted, sick, your religion is twisted, and if there's one place on earth that deserves to be nuked it's yours.
Burn in hell, especially that childs family.
FromEarth
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Zaira SaleemSat, 09 Jun 2007 08:38:15
Well, i was very surprised to read this article! Men have always been physically strong and emotionally tough but that doesnt mean that he can do whtever he wants.I agree that the woman's act was wrong but not such wrong that she desreved to be naked n be stoned to death. Certainly not. Being a woman i feel like getting the shit out of those men. If it was to be a men instead of a men i am sure that no such article or story could be seen or heard then why wid a woman! I bet there should be equality n i feel sick to know that there are videos in  this regard. Well... god bles her soul n stop this nonsense for chris sake !
FromPakistan
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RozaWed, 06 Jun 2007 14:12:52
I cant do anything, study, have fun, laugh..etc since i have seen this tragedy film ( even not the whole film), they r animails, brainless, monsters,they dont have honour already,why they talk about the honour?!. I am just thinking all the time, I read that she has four stupid ,monster, brothers and they r students at the university... i cant imagine... university and doing such things,,No! my dear Dua I havnt ever seen u, but I just feel like u r my best friend now in my heart, i see u all the time in my dreams, and think about u , not just me the whole world now knows you, i wish i was there just to cover you and share the pain with you, not all the stones from stone hearts to your head, breast, stomach... where is ur mother and sister?? I just hate eevryone in ur family, I dont know what I write, i cant see anything becasue of my tears... love u so much dear du'a. your brothers, father, uncels and the police everyone that was there should go to hell. 
FromIraq
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CourtneyFri, 01 Jun 2007 23:57:52
As I've been reading the comments, I see more rage. What astonishes me is that the pictures are taken with cell phones, yet these people still live in the dark ages!!  In my opinion, all of these patriarchial religions have one thing in common; men are considered more powerful than women. I know that there are extremes but this
attitude needs to change. Men may be physically stronger, and I can see why that would be important in these backward societies, but in these days, if there is something that a woman cannot physically perform, there is a machine or tool that can help. What we women need more than anything is to bond with one another and WORK to change things. This needs to be of paramount importance!! Women that are living in these type of conditions, need the strength of their numbers to plan and make way for change. Those of us who live in more enlightened societies NEED TO HELP in any way possible. Women are very strong!!We can make way for change.
There is strength in numbers. Let's work to help out our sisters!!
FromCanada
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CourtneyFri, 01 Jun 2007 23:33:49
This restores honour?? This is a disgusting, uncivilized act of violence against women!!As simple as that!!This MUST stop!!Just as this was done by our ancient peoples, it became the violent &  hateful act that it is, as we became civilized. I hope the same will happen soon to those countries that still allow this type of
aggression against women!!!!
FromCanada
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Kasia NurhayatFri, 01 Jun 2007 21:00:10
1) Kurdistan is an ethnographic region, not a country, as far as politics and geography are concerned.
2) Honor killings happen also in Christian communities in the capital of Jordan. Unfortunately the religion of Islam was reavealed to peoples who make no use of it, who don't understand it, who misinterpret it, who don't want to adjust it to the present world. That is the source of all problems.
3) The video is only one shot, double it, triple it... There are hundreds of killings in the name of honor every day, no one cares. There is a huge campaign launched in Turkey against honor killings. People force girls to commit suicides on a massive scale so that it does not look like a  murder, but a murder in fact it is.
4) If we let uneducated arabs, turks and kurds in to Europe (like France, Germany  already did, England s gonna face a similar problem too, very soon indeed), there're gonna be serious problems and we being  so terribly politically correct all our lives, wont be able to tackle this crap. We do observe those atrocitities in the ME rite now, however we may expect similar stuff happening on a daily basis in several years time here on our ground, in the streets, in the very heart of Europe, not so long to wait to, innit?
5) I've nothing against Muslims, I'm one, however I do apply my damn reason and logic, which a number of muslims is not able to do. I had a personal contact with people like them and to be honest, it's like dealing with children, people from a completely different planet, insane, turning savage when being contradicted!! U guys better take a look at those who come to Europe from ME, how they behave, how they treat our girls/women, how they react and how much they are not eager to adapt to different conditions and culture. U still want to see Turkey in the EU? A
good joke! 30% of it - yeah, 70% - forget about it.
FromWarsaw
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ChrisFri, 01 Jun 2007 19:14:09
I am proud to be a christian and GOD is punishing all "u sick muslims just like u all deserve it. I hope and pray that More of muslim humans explode and all your blood drips on the floor for the dogs to lick as their dinner. FromKurdistan"
Obviously, the decades of war has an affect on anyone's mind.  Christians stopped crushing people between stones and burning witches at the stake in the 1600's.  But, lynching, bombing, shooting occurs regularly.  Every five years or so, the West has to bomb some country.  It must be human nature.  However, there is no excuse for a society to kill its very own women.  It is simply called misogynistic behavior on part of its so called "men" in a degenerate and ultra-patriarchal society.
FromUSA
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PeteFri, 01 Jun 2007 08:14:20
Animals don't even at this bad.......
FromUSA
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BraveheartFri, 01 Jun 2007 01:45:34
It's time for a new Crusade. The Knights Templar will ride again. Muslims beware!!!
FromUSA
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DemonraptorThu, 31 May 2007 21:32:36
As a Muslim, I feel it's my responsibility to tell you all who think that this is Islamic way. I assure you that this is absolutely against Islam, and who commited this act of brutality do no nothing about Islam. Islam protects humanity, and they have done something to destroy it. I request all of the westeners to please study, before  you make a comment. And if you do study, you will find the girl innocent, and the stoners antagonists. And about the event, it's against Islam, and what Al-Queda is doing ( I have consulted many experts of Islam about this) is totally against Islam, and yes, they are terrorists, and yes, Usama has to be killed, but due to illetracy, and failure to understand Islam, many people do not think so. So please, blame
humans rather than the religion. Thanks
FromThe world
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Gona Thu, 31 May 2007 16:33:36
TO those who say it was an yezidi act, yes this one incident might have been a yezidi act but i work with the kurdish womens organisation and we have done many surveys and they are all muslims committing these acts. So all muslims stop saying that muslims dont do this, well its in your religion.
FromHawler
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NishtimanThu, 31 May 2007 16:27:01
This is a message for SL from turkey, you sick muslim or Turkish bum givers, look at history and then judge what ive said, all this terrorism and bloody murders are in the hands of muslims, why is it that nothing like this accures amongst the jews and christans, I am proud to be a christian and GOD is punishing all u sick muslims just like u all deserve it. I hope and pray that More of muslim humans
explode and all your blood drips on the floor for the dogs to lick as their dinner.
FromKurdistan
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SoranThu, 31 May 2007 16:19:22
To all those muslims who come on this site and say that muslims havnt invented honour killing then think again, look at history again and when the profet mohammed introduced islam he beheaded any one who wasnt a muslim, he made seveal stupid rules that are now in the quran and thats why our world today is all bloody because of the sick muslims. Muslims say that christians and jews are sick but MUSLIM people look at your selfs befor you judge. I know this act was comitted by an yezidi but the teachers of this act are the MUSLIMS.
FromSweden
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AgnesThu, 31 May 2007 10:28:26
That is so horrible. Tanya, I will pray every day for you to be safe.
All you cruel animals-you will get your punishment soon.
FromPoland
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LanaWed, 30 May 2007 23:31:02
This 'honor killing' was not committed by an islamist group, it was committed by the girls family who are of the Yezidi religion. Honor killings isnt just an islamic act, its a middle eastern act where alot of the uneducated men think that letting your daughter fall in love without your say so is a slap to their dignity. And although many honor killings can be traced back to the islamic religion, not all muslims are bad people. I am a kurd and a muslim and proud to be both, just because these villagers do this to their children and their neighbors should not reflect on the rest of us. Nishtiman I am sorry for your family and your situation.
FromFairfax, VA. Sulaimanya Iraq
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JonathonWed, 30 May 2007 01:49:20
Hi - I also agree with nishtiman who posted saying that islam is behind all of this. Im an athiest but seriously man the ISLAM religion is freaky and sick, if there is a god then i hope all islam burns in hell.
FromUSA
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TanyaWed, 30 May 2007 01:46:33
I totally agree with the kurdish girl nishtiman, im also kurdish and honour killing accurs mostly in muslims, my sister and three of my cousins were murdered bu my father and my uncles. My father is a mula, all muslims come and say that "we  do not agree with murdere and that its a sin" But muslims invented this act.
I ran away a few years ago and have been traced by other mulas who knew my father, i know i will also get killed one day and its in our muslim religion to kill your child if they do wrong. Shame on all ISLAM
FromLondon
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Tired of being humanWed, 30 May 2007 00:23:15
I have to comment on this horrible crime committed by these howling devils who, if there is a god, will go back to hell. What a beautiful, fragile young girl. OOOhh how brave and "honorable" only took a 1000 of them to kill her slowly. eeech.
  However, I am a little annoyed at some of the comparisons to US racist crimes. Yes there was a black man dragged by "rednecks." Almost that same week there was a white boy dragged to death by a black man and that got no coverage! In fact, in the U.S. now there are very few crimes by whites against blacks, so progress has been made. There are, however, many, many more crimes of blacks againsts whites. How many have heard of the gang rape/murder of Channon Christian and Christopher Newsom? Any Americans out there heard of it? No. i thought so. Everytime something like this comes up,people trot out the "rednecks' as if they are, or ever had, committed the signature hate crimes of the U.S. and the world. I am using FBI crime statistics btw. Not to mention my own personal
experience.
FromWashingtonD.C.
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AgnieszkaTue, 29 May 2007 20:33:37
It made me cry for several days and truly touched my heart...
FromPoland
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TennilleSun, 27 May 2007 01:56:21
My sorrow has turned to real ANGER....I never had such feelings in my life.  Then again, I've never seen anything so horrible as the video of Dua's Death!  ***I think that the family members and men who participated in this sick hateful act including the so-called security guards and 100+ spectators should all come to the USA for
their punishment!  Child offenders get the absolute WORSE treatment in prisons over here.  They should all be Forced to go to prison, only after all the prisoners have seen the videos of their crime, and then REAL justice will be served!  They will be GANG Raped by big Black men and forced to be their Bitches and Slaves in Prison!  Then they will see and feel what it is like to be treated as sub-human!  Then after days and weeks and months and years of Brutal Beatings and Gang Rapes they should all contract the Deadly AIDS virus and die a slow agonizing painful death.  That is the only thing I can think of that would make them suffer a horrible death while reminding their sorry asses, every freakin day, of what they've done.  If this is NOT good...then Plan "B" is to Stone them to death the same way they Stoned poor, sweet, little, innocent Du'a!  R.I.P Du'a and may Justice be served to those cowardly Bitches that call themselves men who did this to you.
FromA place where I KNOW I won't be stoned to
death....The U.S.A!!!
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VincentSat, 26 May 2007 19:11:45
you people condone the killing of the girl, you are evil in every sense of the world and I hope that all of you go straight to hell where you belong, if it were up to me you all would be killed for the sake of revenge for that poor girl, you are savages and you should pay for your barbarism, i want you to know from the deepest part
of my holy being that i wish everyone involved in that poor girls murder and like crimes should be put to death and then sent straight to hell, you sick 3rd world filthy ANIMALS GO TO HELL!!!!!!
FromAmerican male early 20's
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MikaelSat, 26 May 2007 00:55:21
In the city of Mosul a 17-year-old girl can have many grown up men throwing stones after her, kicking and beating her to her poor heart stops. All this for half an hour full of pain.
On the other side of the world, in any city of Sweden. If you throw a stone to a girl in Sweden... WELL LETS JUST SAY IT WILL BE THE ONLY STONE YOU THROW!
Men have problems to accept that the girls are more importent to the world then the men.If you can accept that the girls will look even more beautiful.
And to all the kurdish girls, I'm sorry more men arent like me.You're the bigest reason I have joined "Amnesty" yesterday, anyway.
FromSweden
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AhmadSat, 26 May 2007 13:53:10
American outlaws and gangsters have done much worse things in Iraq and Guantanamo than what you see in this video.
FromUSA
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JordanaFri, 25 May 2007 17:46:08
A gang of heartless men murdering a child and being proud of it...nothing could be punishment enough
FromNY
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GrantFri, 25 May 2007 00:49:22
What a henious, barbaric crime to act upon an innocent 17 year old girl. Made me sick to the core to hear about this.
No one should ever be punished like this in name of Religon! I hope that Justice will come with no mercy to these Dogs! May she rest in peace!
FromMelbourne, Australia
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ShiwanThu, 24 May 2007 13:59:17
It's a crime that is unimaginable. A girl who was in love killed in the most brutal ways. And the worst thing is that the cowards were Kurds. This shows how backwards the Kurds.  This crime should go down in history and no more of these crimes can happen.  The crowd of men should have been punished to the full extent of the law. 
This type of so called family honor, is making us more backward.  It should be stopped permenantly.  The police also shoud be punished for allowing it to happen.  The public should be educated, and there should stict laws against these crimes. 
FomrUSA
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Doug FalconerThu, 24 May 2007 09:38:27
If they kill their own family over religion what would they do to people they hate.
FromAustralia
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TinaThu, 24 May 2007 08:48:57
TO HELL ALL YOU MEN WHO TOOK PART IN THE BRUTAL ACT, YOU WILL GET YOURS, JUST WAIT!! BURN IN HELL.
FromLos Angeles
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DeikaThu, 24 May 2007 05:26:46
Hi. Someone made a comment about "Yeisdism". I googled it and cannot find a single thing on it (apart from this